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August 31, 2003
Secret Computer Language!
By QBlog in
I've been reading over Ruth Carter's amazing account of the Amway subpoena's during the late 1990s. It primarily discusses how Amway sought to shut down several critical Web sites. One particular statement reminded me of the oddities on Quixtar's Dateline Response page.
The statement is a reported quote from (then) Amway Vice President Ken MacDonald sent out in December of 1997:
In that Amvox message, MacDonald stated:So, there is a history of Amway trying to modify search results. Nothing wrong with doing this, but it does say something about the motivation for attempting this tactic.
We've hired consultants and been working very diligently on all of the secret computer language that helps the search engines pick a site and because of that we've moved the positive Amway sites quite a bit up in the web search engines, and some of the negative sites down. And lastly, that we are working to provide very soon, for all those who qualified Emeralds and above who want it their own personal homepage so we will have tons of positive Amway information on the web."
Also, I should mention, that secret computer language doesn't really work anymore. Google has made meta tags almost irrelevant. That's why Dateline Quixtar still yields this site as a number one result.
August 30, 2003
Bull Crap Bingo
By QBlog in
Read about "Bull Crap Bingo" at the Quixtar Now message board and just had to share it here. The original post was made by "tobad" but I don't know if that's where it originated or not. Here it is with a few minor edits:
Bull Crap Bingo For Biz ConferencesHOW TO STAY AWAKE IN MEETINGS: OFFERED AS A SERVICE TO YOUNG IBOS
Do you keep falling asleep in meetings and seminars? Well here's a way to change all of that.1. Before (or during) your next meeting, seminar, or conference call, prepare yourself by drawing a square. I find that 5" x 5" is a good size. Divide the card into columns-five across and five down. That will
give you 25 one-inch blocks.2. Write one of the following words/phrases in each block:
synergy
strategic fit
core competencies
best practice
bottom line
revisit
expeditious
to tell you the truth (or "the truth is")
24/7
out of the loop
benchmark
value-added
proactive
win-win
think outside the box
fast track
result-driven
empower (or empowerment)
knowledge base
at the end of the day
touch base
mindset
client focus(ed)
paradigm
game plan
leverage 3. Check off the appropriate block when you hear one of those words/phrases.
4. When you get five blocks horizontally, vertically, or diagonally, stand up and shout "BULL CRAP!"
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Testimonials from satisfied "Bull Crap Bingo" players:
"I had been in the meeting for only five minutes when I won."
- Adam W., Atlanta"My attention span at meetings has improved dramatically."
- David T., Florida"What a gas! Meetings will never be the same for me after my First win."
- Dan J., New York City"The atmosphere was tense in the last process meeting as 14 of us waited for the fifth box."
- Ben G., Denver"The speaker was stunned as eight of us screamed 'BULL CRAP!' for the third time in two hours."
- Ima G., BostonThe Bull Crap Bingo Championship will be played at the next meeting.
Old Emails
By QBlog in
Here's an old email that was sent to our direct upline in response to my inquiries about the business and the tools. Thought it was worth sharing. It is dated August 27, 2002. Some names have been edited or changed for my own reasons. I received the message as a forward from my direct upline:
Hi "direct upline," I think QBlog has some really good questions and questions are a really good thing in this business. I know that at the Platinum level I average about 6 cents per tape in our group. This amounts to about 1 free tape per week. This will change as of Sept. 1st when Jeff & Cathy go Platinum. Our tape count will go down so we will make less.To be honest, I really don't know much more than that. Kelly Rogers has always told me if I want to know how much money a certain pin makes, then reach that pin and you will find out. He says this because it can vary greatly depending on the structure of your group. One very important concept for all of us to try and understand is you only make money when you help other people. This begins with Dexter Yeger. He would never do anything that might not be fair because it would be detrimental to his group. If we can help any more, let us know.
Jeff & Nancy
Take the Quixtar Sweet 16 Quiz!
By QBlog in
See how well you know the Quixtar Sweet 16 products by taking this quiz.
August 29, 2003
Amway suit aims at training materials
By QBlog in
Federal allegations pending include antitrust violations.
August 28, 2003
How observant are you?
By QBlog in
Three points to the first person that figures out the secret on this page.
Three points and $2 will buy you a cup of coffee
A Rhetorical Question of Sorts
By QBlog in
Quixtar actually makes its own products. Proctor & Gamble is a chief competitor. According to Yahoo, Proctor & Gamble had 8% growth in revenues last fiscal year to total $43.38 billion. Acording to Alticor, the latest reported revenues saw a 9.5% growth totalling $4.5 billion.
Now, I don't care about the details. I don't want to argue about who's revenues mean what and how much growth means or any of that nonsense. What I want to examine is that however you slice the numbers, Proctor & Gamble dwarfs Alticor. Quixtar is a tiny gnat by comparison. There is a huge difference between the revenues of the two companies (unless I'm totally missing something).
My question is this: How much MORE revenue could Alticor pull in if it abandoned the MLM model and just started selling products? How much could the company make if it started advertising LOC and SA8 and sold them in supermarkets across the country? Don't say, "but they won't do it." I'm talking hypothetically here. Seriously, if they make such great products (which I'm not debating here) and do so here in the USA then how big could Alticor get if they just started doing business like Proctor & Gamble?
I really wonder.
August 27, 2003
A bit personal
By QBlog in
I doubt anyone will ever know how badly I wanted to be an IBO. Maybe if you've been in a similar situation, where your spouse is an excited and energized IBO, you'll understand what I'm saying. Sometimes I still wonder what it is about me that prevents me from buying into the Quixtar system and joining the ranks of practicing MLMers. My personal refusal to become an active IBO resulted in a lot of conflict in my home. And while I outwardly supported my wife, I'll always know that what she really wanted was a partner, not a cheerleader. It saddens me that I could not be that partner in her MLM endeavors.
My emotions regarding Quixtar run deep. They are conflicted and confused. As a result of my questions, this site and my inability (or refusal) to become an active IBO, my wife ended her activity. While she was active in Quixtar I saw her dream and have hope about our future. For the first time since I've known her she began looking at the positive side of life BEFORE she looked at the negatives. She would come home from a meeting or conference, bubbling with excitement and bursting to tell me every detail. I wanted to experience that with her, not just watch it from the sidelines. But I couldn't. God knows I tried, and still do sometimes, but I just couldn't do it.
But it wasn't all excited energy for her. Sure, there were some hard times. Just about every day of excitement was followed by a day of self-doubt and near depression. I think it was those emotional swings that concerned me the most. For every night of exuberance there was a night of tears. Maybe it wasn't that dramatic but memory has a funny way of highlighting the extremes.
I love my wife. Sometimes I wonder if I had loved her just a little bit more then maybe I could have been active with her. Then other times I think that if I had loved her more then maybe I would have said "no" when she asked me if she should join Quixtar. But I didn't say no. I said yes.
And now I sit here tonight, while the family is asleep, with that lingering desire to become a Quixtar IBO. A desire to see that joyous energy springing forth from my wife once again. A desire to be the "good guy" instead of the "guy who crushed his wife's dreams." A desire to rid myself of the guilt that eats at my soul like a cancer. But in spite of those desires I know, in my heart of hearts, that I can never become an active IBO. I really don't know exactly why that is but I understand its truth and have learned to accept it.
August 26, 2003
Talkin' bout my motivation
By QBlog in
I've been thinking a lot about motives lately. Sometimes, understanding the motives behind an action can be more important than understanding the action itself. A physician, motivated by greed, may recommend and perform unnecessary surgeries. A newspaper mogul, motivated by a desire to increase circulation, may distort the facts and sensationalize the issues. An advertiser, seeking an advantage over the competition, may misrepresent his product.
Understanding the motives behind such actions can provide a context in which the true nature of those actions can be determined. I have always believed that it's important to understand motives and it is that belief, in part, which led to my immediate mistrust of my wife's IBO upline almost 2 years ago.
They seemed like nice people, all of them, but I kept wondering, "Why are you REALLY telling us we need to go on this trip, buy these tapes or get this water filter?" Whenever I brought up the "conflict of interest" question I was quickly dismissed with the line: "we want you to succeed because if you succeed, we succeed. It is this so called 'conflict of interest' which ensures that you get the very best advice and guidance."
Upon reflection that reasoning sounds vaguely similar to DoubleSpeak, a term coined in Orwell's 1984. I never bought that explanation and still don't. Sure, it's true to a point but humans are notoriously short-sighted and often opt for immediate gain at the expense of long term satisfaction (remember Esau and Jacob?). Why should I believe that these upline IBOs from Texas and Illinois would be any different?
My desire to understand motives has recently led me on a sort of personal mission to learn the true motivation of those posting on various Web sites and discussion boards. What motivates that ex-IBO to slam Quixtar day after day? Why is this IBO praising Team of Destiny and cursing the AMOs? Is there a hidden agenda that motivates that man to publish information critical of MLMs? Some of the answers seem obvious, others more elusive.
Hell, you may have your own questions about my motives for hosting this site, and you should. You should think critically. Try to understand why people are doing what they're doing in order to fully comprehend the value of their actions. But that's not an easy thing to do. To really understand someone's motives you first need all the facts, all the information.
Once you fully understand an individual's history, background, experiences, character and flaws then you can make a better determination about his motives. This is why I work to find, expose and share information about Quixtar, its associates, history, background, flaws and successes. My desire is to fully understand (as much as possible) the information so I can better ascertain the motives behind the actions. It is also why I maintain a critical eye on the information and discussions posted on the Web. I understand the value of some of that information but I maintain an objective perspective on the "why" regarding its existence. And you should too.
August 25, 2003
Ask Michael Moore to do a movie about Quixtar
By QBlog in
Here's a great idea I saw on the Quixtar Now discussion board. Ask Michael Moore to do a movie about Quixtar. Whether you agree with his politics, tactics and hair style or not, you can't deny that Michael Moore pisses people off.
Who is Michael Moore? He's the guy that pissed off General Motors when he made Roger and Me. He later pissed off gun owners with his controversial Bowling for Columbine. Imagine Michael shoving a microphone in the face of Jay Van Andel, Rich DeVos, Bill Britt or Dexter Yager. I'd pay to see that movie.
So, send Michael and email mike@michaelmoore.com asking him to make the Quixtar movie. Once you send him your email, send a copy to me so we can post it up. I'll post mine soon.
QstarZ?
By QBlog in
Stumbled across this page when looking for QBiz info. Not sure if QstarZ was the precursor to QBiz or what. I like the standard "What are your dreams" sales pitch with cute stock art pictures.
Trip Down Memory Lane
By QBlog in
Visited the wonderful archive.org today just to see what Quixtar.com looked like in the past. For the hell of it I took screen shots and have them linked below. Click on an image to pop open a new window with the larger image. Maybe it's a waste of time but I always like seeing how sites evolve over time.
- 1999
- 2000
- Early 2001
- Late 2001
- 2002
- 2003
Response from Quixtar.com
By QBlog in
Got an email today regarding the Teresa Uriarte site I mentioned a couple of days ago. Apparently this IBO is a known abuser and the site is in violation. Here's a bit from the email:
Hello,Good. Maybe this abomination will soon be removed from existence.We are in receipt of your email in which you report a questionable website. Thank you for taking the time to forward this information to us. This site has been reported on previous occasions and has been handled according to our Zero Tolerance Policy.
August 24, 2003
quixtarBLOG Newsletter Launched (soon)
By QBlog in
Welcome to the brand new quixtarBLOG Newsletter. To subscribe just send a blank email to quixtarblog-newsletter-subscribe@topica.com. The innaugural issue will publish August 31.
Why subscribe to the quixtarBLOG Newsletter? Good question. I wish I had a good answer right now. I can say that initially the newsletter will contain brief articles, notices of upcoming projects, the latest Quixtar headlines, links to valuable resources and a bit more. Just like this blog (and now the forums) the newsletter will evolve over time and hopefully become a valuable, and free, service for subscribers.
You will notice a link to the left, below the donation button, to subscribe to the newsletter.
Fellow blogger active once again
By QBlog in
Just thought I'd mention that friend and former neighbor AIBO (or whatever she's being called now) is once again cranking out regular blog posts about Quixtar and other MLMs. Looks like her husband has joined the blogging ranks as well. Welcome back kids. I was getting lonely as the only Quixtar blogger on the planet.
August 23, 2003
Interesting paragraph from the Motley Fool
By QBlog in
This story about some fraudulent credit-repair businesses has an interesting paragraph about MLMs and Amway specifically.
"First, a few words about these 'companies.' ICR Services is not a credit counseling company, but, rather, a 'premiere marketing company' as stated by the recorded operator you hear if you call headquarters. In other words, this is a 'multi-level marketing' operation -- think Amway. Yes, some of these systems are respectable (for example, every parent should check out Usborne Books), but many focus on acquiring new representatives first, serving customers second."Just think it's interesting to see the context in which Amway (or Quixtar) is mentioned in unrelated articles.
What is Moore From The Web?
By QBlog in
Saw this blog which links to Moore From The Web. The blog has a link to Quixtar with the link text as "shopping." You gotta be a member to log in. D'oh.
Who's Who?
By QBlog in
I'm compiling a Who's Who list of people running influential Quixtar (or MLM) opposition Web sites. Actually, unbiased Quixtar information sites would qualify for the list too. The only excluded sites would be those run by active IBOs (not that there are many), Quixtar itself or people directly profiting from some MLM (Robert Kiyosaki for example).
Since most discussion boards have so many contributors I've kept those off the list. If you could send me the names and URLs of people who should be added or correct any information on the list I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. I apologize for any omissions. This list is randomly ordered.
- Don Hargraves - Memory Hole
- Scott Larsen - AmQuix
- Robert Todd Carroll - Skepdic/Amway
- Ruth Carter - MLM Survivor
- Peter Blood - The MLM File
- Jesse Sikes - Mad Rants Quixtar/Amway
- John Hoagland - The Continuing Story
- Ashley Wilkes - Nightmare Builders
- Dave Touretzky - Amway Sucks
- Russell Glasser - Perils of Amway
- Rick Ross - The Ross Institute
Additions will be made to this list without notice.
August 22, 2003
Messages From Upline
By QBlog in
Last couple of days I've been thinking back to the beginning, when my wife first became an IBO. A flood of emotions, questions, thoughts and ideas still swirl through my mind when I reflect on that period of our lives. I started pulling up old emails I sent to our upline trying to find answers to the many questions I had about the business. My dissatisfaction with the answers became the motivation (in part) for this site. Below I've posted one of several email exchanges I received from our upline. This particular email is a response in which my original questions are included. Some of the references are without proper context but you can get the general idea. My Questions are in bold and the upline's answers and comments are unbolded. This email was dated August 28, 2002.
Dear QBlog,Now, I should mention a couple of things.There may even be more questions than the one's you've posed. Probably, if you see the business plan a few times and hang with the group, you will get most of the rest of them answered.
Q- This brings me to the "who cares" statement. I do care. Why do I care? Well,because of the perception issue. If ISC (InterNET Services Corporation) comprises 70% of a Diamond's income then is Quixtar really what's being sold?
A -The compensation plan shows that, at Diamond, the income is $250K+ per annum from Quixtar. To have that represent only 30% of a Diamond's, income and the remaining 583333 of his 833333 under the table income come from the sale of 194444 tapes during the year (assuming the Diamond makes 50% of the $6 per tape) certainly makes the sale of tapes look good. I don't think there is such income from tapes to the Diamond.
Q - Or what if ISC's profit margins outpace Quixtar's? Is the real money in motivational materials or selling products? What is the markup on the TOOLS being sold? Is it 100% or 5000%?
Would it make any difference to someone if the markup was 5000%? My point is that you don't know, I don't know and nobody knows so none of these questions can be definitely answered.
A - I know that in 1968, I bought a Nightinggale/Conant tape series of 10 tapes called "Lead the Field." at a cost of $95. The information was invaluable to me. Shortly hereafter, I enrolled in graduate training in Periodontics and embarked on a career that has prospered me as best it could, given my position of selling services for dollars. The mark up in me was tremendously higher than the markup on the tapes. The wisdom contained therein was worth it, whatever the cost. The series is still available. I never thought to ask about the markup for fear I might miss the information and wisdom by being parsimonious.
Q - YOU SAID: "Since much, if not all, of the sales price of the tapes, seminars, etc., are expensable, they don't appear on the profit line anyway."
Here is my ignorance again but how is a tape expensable? When was the last time Warner Bros. or Vivendi wrote off a tape sale as an expense? These may be "TOOLS" but they are sold by ISC as a product. I don't understand how ISC could enter tape sales as an expense. Again, I am ignorant in this area. Please clarify if possible.
A - The tapes are not expensable to ISC, the cost of making them is. The tapes produce revenue, some of that is profit, but I suspect, only a reasonable amount, since they are being distributed through Diamonds to their organizations for the purpose of growing their people, both in internal and external wealth. As the people grow, the diamond, emerald, platinum, and all of us prosper.
Spend some time with the tapes, books and attend the functions. You will see the value (different from cost) of the system developed by Dexter and ISC.
Q- Could one of you take some time to show me exactly how Quixtar makes the money to pay it's IBOs? I know there is literature showing how this is done but I don't understand it. I would need some time to ask questions regarding this because I basically will not understand any "jargon" and will need clear examples.
I basically don't see how if I buy socks from Quixtar for $5 and it costs them $4.50 to make them and then they send my upline 26% of the $5 how they make any money? I know they are not spending on advertising but in this scenario they are losing $.80 on each sale.
A - The scenario is 40% to manufacturer, 30% to Middleman, 30% to store. Socks that cost $4.50 to manufacture will generally retail at $11.25. The store will buy them at wholesale for $7.87 from the middleman and run their operation as well as make a profit on the remaining $3.38. At Quixtar, an IBO will see the $11.25 as retail cost, be charged $8.50, get $6.00 in business volume, and get a bonus check of (at the 25% bonus level) $1.50.
Given the example of socks (only an example) the IBO buys for less than wholesale at $7.00 rather than 7.87. However, unless you want to buy socks from the manufacturer in carloads, you are not going to get anywhere near the $4.50 manufacturer's cost anywhere.
Remember, profit is what makes the free world go round.
Have a great day.
- Upline Guy
1. That upline really was a nice guy. I don't have anything negative to say about him. He genuinely believed in the system and loved building his business.
2. This particular series of emails and phone calls resulted in a Voicecom (AmVox) notice from C. L. Foster (the QBiz Head Honcho) about the tools. I didn't hear the message but my wife said he sounded like he was making fun of me for asking about tools. He said that nobody makes much money off of tape sales and anyone who thought otherwise was misguided. I'm paraphrasing from secondhand knowledge but that's the gist of what was implied.
That's all for now.
August 21, 2003
Bankin' It
By QBlog in
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Here's the check scan I got from "Bankin' It" the other day. If you don't know what I'm talking about I'll briefly explain. On the Memory Hole Dreambook a guy named "Bankin' It" basically said he'd send check scans if it would convince anyone. I asked for the scans and he sent me one. Props to "Bankin' It" for following through. Click on the scan for a bigger version.
Teresa Uriarte's Quixtar Services
By QBlog in
UPDATE: Ok, further proof that quixtarBLOG kicks ass - I searched my own archives and found this post about Web site compliance with a link to the PDF that Quixtar sent me back when this site was being reviewed. It clearly states that even PHPs (Personal Home Pages) cannot be "content which can be interpreted as an advertisement or prospecting information." Miss Teresa, you're busted. I swear I'll be back to normal tomorrow. The drugs will wear off by then... I hope.
MORE UPDATE: I actually did send an email to the Rules of Conduct team at Quixtar. Here's the exact email I sent.I believe that this Web site (http://www.tradezone.com/tradesites/quixtar.html)is in violation of at least one of the Quixtar rules governing either Personal Home Pages or Prospecting Web/Internet Sites.
One thing I learned about Quixtar back when we were having this site disputed is that they are very good about responding to such things. In fact, their customer service really impressed me and still does. I can't say much for QBiz but Quixtar may have many faults but customer service isn't one of them. You must credit them for that.
I'm just letting you know because I realize that a site that is in violation reflects poorly on Quixtar.
Thanks and God Bless.
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Pardon me while I vomit. Ok, I'm back. I just spent way too much time at Teresa Uriarte's Quixtar Services site and lost my dinner as a result. That should teach me. I know, I know. I have a bad habit of finding the absolute ugliest Quixtar sites and then making fun of them but seriously, this one is B-A-D.
Also, I don't think it follows all of the Quixtar by-laws governing Web sites. I'm checking on that and will update when I find out for sure. God help anyone who becomes an IBO under Teresa Uriarte.
NOTE: Today I'm feeling extra harsh but hell, it's my damn blog so get over it.
Ruth Carter
By QBlog in
I may be wrong about this but I think that Ruth Carter is involved with the MLM Survivor Web site. Yes, THAT Ruth Carter. I've never read her book but I admire her work and tenacity.
August 20, 2003
Train Wreck
By QBlog in
I'm not slamming anyone but just being honest when I say that visiting Quixtar Now is like watching a train wreck.
The Victims Sold Amway
By QBlog in
This story tells the story of 21 victims of an "alleged ponzi scheme that scammed investors out of two million dollars."
The story goes on to report that "in this case, the victims all sold Amway products, although Amway is in no way connected to the alleged fraud."
Then there's this story from the AP saying that the alleged scammer "He got other (investments) from friends and fellow Amway distributors." The Amway association is more ambiguous in this story.
But wait, this story from Utah adds a quote from the investigator's report saying "Individuals solicited by the (alleged scammers) included the defendants' co-workers, neighbors, acquaintances and 'what appeared to be fellow Amway distributors.'"
Besides the bizarre nature of these scams the thing that piqued my interest was that they all refer to Amway. Unless I'm mistaken these scams took place fairly recently and certainly within the last 4 years. To my knowledge Amway no longer exists in North America and from my recollection of geography, I believe Utah is in North America.
So, why did three stories mention Amway and not Quixtar?
Looking for Something?
By QBlog in
Been getting a lot of Yahoo! Searches looking for "quixtarblog" and the only thing I can figure is that people just don't realize that the URL to this site is www.quixtarblog.com.
I mean, that's pretty easy to remember right? Who knows. I learned long ago not to try to guess why people are searching for something because you'll almost always be wrong. However, I figure I'll post this "just in case."
August 19, 2003
Trying to make a buck
By QBlog in
MLM Compensation Plans are complex. Debbi A. Ballard wants to help you understand them and guide you through such issues as:
There's much more. You get all this for $79. What a bargain.
So, MLMs not only support the controversial Motivational Organizations but they also create a market for those "working" the MLM industry. Tools within tools.
The only thing missing is an ANTI-MLM Motivational Organization. Hmmm.... I just had an idea ;o)
Call me crazy
By QBlog in
I just had an idea. I'd like to ask YOU to help me make this idea possible. What is this idea? Well, it's crazy and some will call it stupid but in the Age of the Web people do this stuff because a.) it's fun and b.) because it's simple to do.
So, what is my idea? Type the word "Quixtar" into Google and the number one result is Quixtar.com. Makes sense right? The number two result is the AmQuix site, which is not too bad for AmQuix if you think about it. I bet the lawsuit against Scott Larsen actually helped that site's Google Ranking. Anyway, my idea is to work to move the AmQuix site ABOVE Quixtar.com in the Google search results.
Ridiculous you say. Waste of time you cry. Maybe so. But you must admit it would be kind of funny. So, how is this done and is it even possible? Well, it won't be easy but here's one example of how Google's search results were "modified."
The way we do it is to create pages and link to the AmQuix site while slapping lots of references to "Quixtar" on those pages. There are other things involved but this is the first step. When I figure out the second step I'll post it here.
So, who's with me? Let's cause a little Net mischief just for the hell of it.
Have you ever noticed...
By QBlog in
I've noticed that the people who question, attack or reject the Quixtar (MLM) business methods are often stereotyped as liberal communists by those who support those methods (usually IBOs and pro-MLM folks). Why is this? It seems that in the minds of Quixtar/MLM supporters the only Capitalistic, freedom-loving conservatives are Quixtar IBOs while all who oppose "the business" are liberal, anti-Capitalists who revel in the demise of Free Enterprise? I just don't get it.
I know I'm making generalizations but I've run into this mentality more times than I can count. Hell, I've been accused of being many things that are just absolutely not true because of similar assumptions.
Just thinking out loud on a Tuesday afternoon.
A simple observation
By QBlog in
Just browsing through some of the many pro-Quixtar personal pages and noticed a couple of things.
First of all, they all look the same. They were obviously built from a standardized template and follow Quixtar/Amway rules governing personal Web pages. However, all the sites look almost identical yet are hosted at different domains. Some of the domain names are:
The other thing about these sites is that the root level URL is always some product page that looks like it's on the Quixtar Web site. I'm not telling these folks how to run their personal pages but it seems like there should be a better and more effective way to do it. This is just something that's baffled me for a long time.
August 18, 2003
Stroopwafels
By QBlog in
Stroopwafels - syrup filled cookies.
Thanks Dwighty.
Quixtar and Reporters
By QBlog in
This past weekend I was contacted by a reporter who was seeking information about Quixtar for a possible story. From our discussion I learned that the reporter was approached at a coffee shop by a member of Britt World Wide with a "business proposal." This reporter, like any good reporter, wanted to learn the story behind that ambiguous invitation to "learn more at our next meeting."
Inevitably the reporter turned to the Web to research the rather ambiguous coffee shop proposal. That research resulted in a visit to quixtarBLOG (among many other sites) and an email request for more information. I obliged and spent some time answering questions and discussing some of my experiences.
Will this result in a story? I have no idea. Time will tell I guess. What really impacted me was how this entire situation developed. Things are changing. Quixtar (Amway/Alticor/Whatever) is no longer operating in a vacuum of information. When many people hear about "the plan" they immediately turn to the Web for more information.
Reporters are beginning to ask questions too. This Dateline NBC story has the potential to be HUGE in more ways than many realize. Regardless of what the story is specifically about or what it does or doesn't "uncover," it will bring the name "Quixtar" into the consiousness of reporters everywhere. Newshounds will begin to ask questions and won't accept ambiguity as an answer. Good reporters will snoop around, looking for their "Silkwood" (or "Erin Brockovich" for you youngsters).
I've made this point before and now I'm making it again, Quixtar must change in order to survive. Quixtar can't continue to act like an online Amway and expect the same levels of success. Just like the Music Industry, Quixtar must re-invent itself to remain competive. And just like the Music Industry, Quixtar seems unable to embrace innovation and think of drastically changing the way it does business.
The truth is, people are asking questions and for the first time in history, they can find the answers almost instantly, and almost without any effort. I've met very few IBOs who understand this simple fact.
Site Troubles
By QBlog in
The servers hosting this site are having some trouble today. Connectivity has been spotty. Should be temporary. Thanks for your patience.
August 16, 2003
Amway sees sales growing
By QBlog in
Some positive growth news about Amway from that MLM hotbed, Malaysia.
STRONG distribution networks and product innovation will drive sales growth at Amway (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd despite cautious consumer spending, says general manager (operations) Paul Yee.QUIZ QUESTION: What is a Moon Cake and have you ever eaten one?“Consumers are beginning to spend, but would only spend when they see value in products,” he said.
He added that Amway had been able to weather the bad times due to its personal approach to product distribution.
August 14, 2003
This is interesting. Or odd. Or mysterious.
By QBlog in
UPDATED: With a new fourth odd observation!!!
By now we all know of the Dateline NBC Story about IBOs and Quixtar. Well, apparently Quixtar has continued to "discuss" things with Dateline and has produced yet another response to a Dateline letter. This time Quixtar didn't post the letter it is responding too (at least I don't think they did) but you can read the original Dateline letter that started all this right here.
Be sure and read Ken McDonald's latest letter but right now I want to point out some oddities about the quixtarresponse.com page.
1. The title of the page is "Dateline Response." No idea why but this seems odd when the URL is clearly Quixtar Response. This may have been a simple mistake or done for other reasons. I can only speculate. One thing about Page titles is that search engines love them. Someone may see "Dateline Response" in a search result and assume it's the Dateline letters. But I can only guess. It's just odd to me.
2. The message is an image. This is really odd. Not only is it an image but the text is not anti-aliased. Traditionally, the reason someone would choose against anti-alias text in an image is to make it look like actual text, instead of text on an image. Why is this message an image that doesn't look like an image? Again, we don't know. However, one reason this is done is to avoid search engines. Search engines love text but can't do much with images. Google doesn't have any idea what response.gif is and only knows what links come from the image. Additionally, the image has no Alt tag which is another way to "mask" content from search engines. It's also harder to pull quotes from an image because there is no copy/paste capability. Also, updating an image is more complicated than simply typing in more text. This is another reason this whole image vs. text thing is really odd.
3. The Meta Tags. Quixtar is not mentioned once in the Meta Tags. The Meta Tags are as follows:
I don't have any idea why Quixtar didn't put it's name in the Meta Tags but I know one thing. Not once does the word Quixtar appear on the page or the source of the page. The only place the word Quixtar appears is in the URL.
4. Take a close look at This page and then This page. The Letters are obviously scanned images right? Sure. Besides the scanned images what do you see? Some text right? At the top and bottom of the page you should see a "CLOSE WINDOW" link which triggers a simple JavaScript to close the window (duh). What else do you see? Look very carefully. Do you see any other text? I'll give you a hint. Scroll down to the very bottom of the page and use your cursor to try to select that entire bottom white area, below the scanned image. See anything now? Aha! I thought so. If you did it right you'll see the highlighted (selected) text saying "Dateline NBC DATELINE." Interesting. The reason this text isn't visible until you select it is because it was colored white by an old-fashioned font tag. The page background is white and so, white on white renders it invisible.
Now, why would Quixtar hide this text inside of the page? Again, we can only speculate but the #1 reason this is done is for search engine optimization. And now we must ask, "why is Quixtar using these little tricks on their site?" I don't have the answers but I do know that if you punch Dateline NBC Quixtar into Google you should get quixtarBLOG as a top result with the Quixtar Response page a few links below. I guarantee this doesn't make Quixtar happy.
Conspiracy theorists get busy. You've got work to do.
August 13, 2003
Thought this was funny (not that kind of funny)
By QBlog in
I sent Quixtar an IBO number request a few weeks ago just to see what would happen. I half expected my name to be on some blacklist (and maybe it is) as a result of my past dealings with the business (read the archives). Well, I received a response but the phone number they gave me is long distance. This got me thinking, "aren't there quality IBOs in my immediate area that Quixtar could recommend?"
I have no idea how this IBO number request system works but after punching in my Zip Code I expected someone within my same area code. I should mention that the area code given is maybe 40 miles from us but it is long distance nonetheless.
Here's the Quixtar response email for whatever it's worth (with some minor edits for privacy's sake):
I never got around to calling Tommy & Lesia. I ended up finding my wife's IBO number and it still works so I didn't really need one after all. I just had this urge to see Quixtar as a member sees it. I get these urges sometimes.
QBlog,I will be happy to assist you by providing you with contact information of an Independent Business Owner (IBO).
Please contact the IBO listed below to obtain an identification number. Once you receive the identification number, you will be able to register on the Quixtar Site.
Name: Tommy & Lesia Last name withheld
Phone: 1(xxx) xxx-xxxx
e-mail: LESIA@xxxxx.COMI appreciate your interest in registering with Quixtar and please let us know if we can be of further assistance.
Sincerely,
Beth/7133
Customer Service
Quixtar Blog: Forum
By QBlog in
Did you know about the Forum? Remember, everytime you contribute to a forum discussion an angel gets his wings. Think of the angels.
;o)
August 12, 2003
You heard it here first (unless you heard it somewhere else first)
By QBlog in
Lawsuit contends Amway's profits come mostly out of distributors' pockets.
Amway Corp. conspired to freeze out lower-level distributors in its motivational business, a lawsuit filed in federal court in Kansas City alleges.YAAL: Yet Another Amway Lawsuit.The action, filed last week by five one-time Amway motivational businesses, including two in St. Joseph and two in Springfield, seeks unspecified damages in the millions of dollars for federal antitrust violations.
The lawsuit contends that the vast majority of the company's profits come not from selling products such as soap and cosmetics but from selling motivational materials to its vast network of down-line distributors.
UPDATE: Apparently you didn't hear it here first. Saw this and I think it's the same suit. Maybe not. I'll read through it tomorrow. Time for bed.
So, tell us what you really think
By QBlog in
Just read this rant from Dwighty. Good stuff.
Oh yeah, and it is about Quixtar in a way. Interesting comments too.
August 11, 2003
You want me to pay how much?
By QBlog in
UPDATE: I stand corrected. Thanks Inheriter for pointing out that Nine To Five is actually cheaper than Starbuck's. This link should prove that point. I was wrong. I still can't stand the stuff but I realize that some people like it and actually save a couple of bucks by purchasing the Quixtar java. I'm eating my slice of humble pie right now and washing it down with a cup of Starbuck's coffee.
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Just saw a comment about Nine To Five coffee and memories came flooding back to my mind... er... taste buds. Bad, horrible memories.
I drank that swill for about 6 months. I never did develop a taste for it. I have no idea why it tastes so bad but it sure is crap. Now, I must confess, I'm a bit of a coffee snob. I quit grinding my own beans a few years ago but I still am pretty picky about my java. I've grown to like Starbuck's (though I prefer Guatemalan Antigua) and can pick up a bag for a little over $7 at my neighborhood grocery.
I drink a lot of coffee. At least a pot a day. One bag of Starbuck's will last me about two weeks (14-16 days). That's roughly a pot a day with maybe a couple of extra pots thrown in for an evening espresso or two. I should also mention that I can't stand flavored coffees. Nasty abominations.
Well, tonight I did a quick search on Quixtar to see how much Nine To Five coffee cost and I was shocked. While I couldn't find any non-flavored for sale, I did find a variety pack with about 24 packets selling for $39.99 (not including shipping)! 24 packets = 24 pots which is roughly what two bags of Starbuck's will brew. Yet, I can get two bags of Starbuck's for about $14-16 but the Nine To Five costs Forty BUCKS?!?
I'll leave myself some room here. Maybe the non-flavored is much cheaper. It still tastes like ass but that's beside the point. If the non-flavored (real java) is as cheap as Starbuck's then this entire post doesn't really make a lot of sense. I just can't find a price for real coffee on Quixtar.com. If anyone help me out I'll post corrections and eat some humble pie.
Thanks for your help.
Blast From the Past
By QBlog in
Some people are new to this blog. Some people don't take the time (or don't have the time to take) to read all the wonderful archives. I don't blame them, there's a lot of stuff there. Anyway, just to let you know, here's a post from June, 2003:
Quixtar on the Web I've often been accused of only posting negative stuff about Quixtar and to be honest a lot of what I post ends up being links to things that are easily considered anti-Quixtar. However, I don't intentially look for negative comments about Quixtar, it just happens that most of what I find on the Web ends up being somewhat negative. To demonstrate I'll explain my regular process for finding and posting links to this Blog. << Follow this link >>Maybe I'll just add this to the Questions section.
Dear Blank
By QBlog in
I don't take vitamins. In my twisted, malnourished mind, vitamins are placebos. No argument will convince me that I need a vitamin more than I need to simply eat a healthy, well-balanced diet.
Yours truly,
- QBlog
A QBiz "Leader" has finally spoken
By QBlog in
Just saw this note from "A Leader" named "bob" from QBiz. However, since it's anonymous, I have no way to guarantee the authenticity of this email so it may just be some teenage "H@x0r" having a little fun.
name: A Leader
email: bob@qbiz.com
message: What have you accomplished in your life that would qualify you to make a comment on a business? Your like a professor who is only good at passing tests to get more degrees that impress (but have never accomplished anything!). What qualifications do you have to even comment on a business model?Is it that you we're once in the business and quit? Is that why I should listen to you? There are two million of you Bloggers out there...computer nerds that spend most of the day, and all of the night, in front of a computer (because you have no social skills) writing to each other and quoting other Bloggers?
Get a life.
Thanks "bob." I'm looking for a life right now. I'll let you know when I find one. Finding a life ain't easy these days that's for sure.
August 10, 2003
Billy B. Britt involved in scam?
By QBlog in
This story from the Triangle Business Journal reports that:
With the promise of a monthly 10 percent return on his money, Chapel Hill Amway executive Billy B. Britt drove over to Raleigh's Capital City Club in May 2001 to meet Wilmington securities dealers Daniel and Robert Henry Burr.Interesting.
At that meeting, Britt slid a $3 million check across a linen-covered table to the Burr brothers. Two months later, Britt gave the men another check - this one for $2 million.Passage of those two checks has sparked what's being called perhaps the largest single financial fraud case in North Carolina history in terms of the amount of dollars that have disappeared.
Is Your Church A Market Place?
By QBlog in
Found the note below posted on the Memory Hole Dreambook today:
Don
http://you know the site
Because of a request from the author of the work, I've removed "Is Your Church a Market Place" from my website. His reason for asking me to remove the page is on the frontpage:
The Explanation Page posts this email from Kim Mather:
On August 9, 2003; I received this letter from Kim Mather:name: kim mather
email: (not shown)
subject: is your church a market place
comments: hi don:thank you for so generously hosting this book online. i would like to request that you take it offline so that it no longer appears on the internet. my reason for this request is personal and have nothing to do with anything that you have done.
please honor this request and thank you for all that you have done and all that you are doing to help people that have been misdirected by some mlm program they got caught up in.
keep fighting the battle, and even though this book will no longer be online you have my full hearted support and appreciation for what you are doing.
kim s. mather
In response to his request, I have removed the book from my website.
Well, I have never read this "Church Market" book and probably never would have until I saw the note from Don. One thing that I simultaneously love and hate about the Net is the malleability of the information contained within its digital spaces. Unlike tangible records, those on the Net can disappear, change and mutate in an instant. Without warning or explanation what we saw yesterday may only remain in our memories today. That's not really a bad thing but it can cause problems. As a Web designer I love the fact that my work can be gradually improved almost transparently. So, I understand this aspect of the Net very well and therefore I respect it.
Now, there are ways to retrieve some information but not many. Google is thankfully our most reliable defense against changing or disappearing content on the Net, but it's not foolproof. Because things relating to censorship, access and the Net in general greatly interest me I went on a mission to find the complete book that was removed from Don's site.
I found it and here it is: Is Your Church A Market Place?
I should not that the links in the actual book probably don't work.
Now, why am I posting this on my site? For a couple of reasons:
1. I just finished reading George Orwell's 1984 last week. I was partially motivated to read the book by the clever title of Don Hargraves' MLM site. In the book, information was centrally controlled and either modified or removed at the whim of "Big Brother." I shudder to think that someone can simply delete information out of existence like a newsclipping being dropped down the Memory Hole. I'm doing something to ensure that this information does not vanish from the planet. I'm the "anti-Memory Hole" I guess.
2. I also get angry when people publish things on the Web without understanding what that means. When something gets posted on the Web, it's out there and you no longer control what is done to that information. Sure, you have some rights but what I'm talking about is that once you "release" that content onto the Web, you've set something in motion that is almost impossible to stop. That's what I LOVE about the Web. I've been directly and indirectly involved in situations where large corporations simply didn't understand this very basic concept about the Web. They'd release something and then try to remove it a few days later only to find out that it had been copied onto 15 other sites. That's one of the most beautiful things about the Net. It's still this vast community that nobody can totally control. By posting this book, I guess I'm doing my Web duty to keep perpetuating this fundamental principle of Web life.
I still haven't read the book. I've glanced through it but don't really have any idea what it's about. I also don't really understand why Don took it down. He explained why Kim wanted it removed by not why he complied. I'm not at my home computer so I'll ask Don later.
Anyway, now you've gotten a glimpse of what makes me tick. Believe me, it's only a glimpse. Enjoy the book.
August 9, 2003
Yet another blogger looking into Quixtar
By QBlog in
Here's a blogger that admits to being interested in Quixtar:
"Ok, I have been looking at the Quixtar business for some time now."
Yet, he doesn't just take the Quixtar version at face value, he goes to research the business on the Web:
"Well, I was over at Quixtar Info Page reading up on some neat information, trying to decide what to do...
And in his searching, one comment sticks out in my mind regarding the Dateline NBC story and information in general (grammar errors included):
"All of this is dated 6/27/2003, so it now and relivant."
What have I learned from this? Well, my belief is that this type of behavior is becoming more and more common. People hear about Quixtar, think it over and then do research on the Web. However, when they do this research they also want to find TIMELY information, not some Amway archive from 1987. Whether this guy gets in or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that he's informed and this level of education was nearly impossible 10 years ago.
I believe that this little example only supports my idea that some sort of fresh, frequently updated and well organized "Quixtar Watch" site needs to be created.
Following Orders
By QBlog in
You can't deny that Rich DeVos and Jay Van Andel are leaders. They're shrewd businessmen who followed their own rules and built an empire that continues to generate billions of dollars every year. For this I respect them.
I also respect Dexter Yager for understanding the system and developing a business around that system. Say what you want about the tools but Dexter Yager decided to think outside the box and do something that has made him extremely successful.
Bill Gates, love him or hate him, decided to think differently about the desktop computer and is now the richest man in the world. He didn't sit around following, he took charge and became a leader and built a software empire.
What is my point? Well, when I was constantly around Quixtar IBOs, something I often heard was not to question the upline because they were successful and knew best. "Look to the winners" I was told and "do what they tell you to do because they're successful." This idea almost seemed like the cornerstone of the entire business. Downline IBOs dutifully following orders to finally realize their dreams of riches and financial security.
However, none of the people I mentioned above followed orders. They didn't have some experienced "guru" to lead them by the hand. They are "self-made" and proud of it. And I think there is something to be learned from that. The truly successful people don't follow the rules, they break them or create new rules. Success is often truly achieved by those who refuse to follow conventional thinking and break out on their own, doing it "my way."
I don't know. These are maybe just confused ramblings on a Saturday night. Next time we talk about Bookies and Upline Diamonds so stay tuned.
August 8, 2003
Live Journal Blogger Contemplates Quixtar
By QBlog in
Devon is thinking about "making something of" Quixtar. Wonder if any comments would help Devon's decision?
A (BAD) JOKE
By QBlog in
Q: Do you know why Bo Short decided to name his new MLM company Passport?
A: Because that's what he'll need when he leaves the country with all his downline Associate's money.
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I rarely properly tell jokes, much less make them up completely. However, I have always thought Passport was sort of a goofy name for an MLM. I mean I always think of Microsoft or the actual passport book when I hear the word. And, while I'm on the subject, mypassportonline.com is like the "nerd" URL. It's what you get when you type in a word, it's not available and then the Registrar service makes a few alternative suggestions. Like mypassportnow.com or yourpassport.com. Something lame like that.
Anyway, it's Friday and I'm feeling silly. I really doubt Bo would do anything like that but I know I'll get nasty emails from people who just can't take a joke. That's why I'm writing this freakin' disclaimer. Sheesh.
More Amway Lawsuits
By QBlog in
Amway spinoff cheated investors, suit says
August 7, 2003
I still have a dream
By QBlog in
I have a dream. My dream is to help develop a loosely organized community of individuals committed to reporting, discussing, exposing, uncovering and debating the business of Quixtar. I imagine a non-profit organization modeled after similar endeavors such as the EFF, Google Watch and Microsoft Watch.
My vision is to have a single site that is collectively managed by 10-15 individuals. This group would essentially take it upon themselves to write articles and essays, do Quixtar research and maintain an extensive (and ever growing) archive of material. A clearinghouse of sorts for all things Quixtar (and potentially MLMs in general though the scope may balloon out of control if every MLM were included). The site would be run on a voluntary basis and production costs would eventually be funded by contributions (though I'm not currently opposed to advertiser revenue).
This "Quixtar Watch" site would essentially borrow the best elements from many existing sites and improve upon them while also adding some much needed original content and reporting. My ultimate dream would be to get some "inside" contacts who would leak "real-time" information to the site. So much of the information that exists is very dated or bears the Amway label.
Basically this site would have a community element (like MLM Survivors), an article/essay element (unlike anything I've personally seen), an archive element (like AmQuix, a Quixtar FAQ element, a fun element (goofy Quixtar quizes or something) and a bunch of other stuff that I haven't thought of yet.
I know this idea isn't popular for some reason. I've floated it before and it received a cold reception. Maybe it really is a bad idea. I've only received a couple of positive responses previously. I can't do this alone. This idea is bigger than me and so I would need lots of help. Please let me know if you share my dream... or not. Just please be honest.
Thanks,
- QBlog
Sometimes People Make Sense
By QBlog in
Wow, I just read a rather lengthy post from a guy named Fred. He has a lot to say and honestly he makes a lot of sense.
Guys -- there is good with bad everywhere. The corporation has gone to extremes to tell IBOs the tools are optional. Yes, if you are in a AMO, you know they are not -- but the company itself is going to EXTREMES to let you know they are optional!!!Quixtar has terminated dozens of Diamond and hundreds of IBOs for tool violations - losing hundreds of millions of dollars. They have probably done MORE to address the tool issue than ANY other contracting company out there!!! And, they have kept their hand OUT of the cookie jar for 25 years as this problem has grown in the industry!
Not sure about the EXTREMES Quixtar has gone to but don't just read this excerpt. Go read the whole post.
The (still new) forum is beginning to take off. There are some bright people contributing. Don't be shy, join the discussion. It's free and only takes a second to sign up.
August 6, 2003
Must Read
By QBlog in
From new friend Peter Blood we get the MLM File Ezine. Peter is in Australia and was in Amway and other MLMs for a time. Be sure to check out the New MLM Law in the Making. Thanks Peter.
August 5, 2003
Look to the Winners
By QBlog in
When someone says, "Look to the winners instead of the losers" in defense of Quixtar negativity I always cringe. It's one of my biggest pet peeves, the whole winner/loser thing. Here's why I hate that defense:
1. Casinos can use the exact same line to rationalize their business. Looking to the winners says very little about the actual business if the proportion of winners is exponentially smaller than the losers.
2. Look to the winners suggests that those who point out the negatives are looking to the losers. Quite the contrary, many are just pointing out obvious flaws. If you bought a vehicle that was prone to spontaneous explosions, you'd be angry when the manufacturer suggested that you look to the many models that have not exploded. You'd still want safeguards installed to ensure your safety. Many perceive obvious flaws with the Quixtar MLM business model and to point out these flaws isn't looking to the losers but looking to the facts as they see them.
3. Looking to the winners also suggests that they have some special insight that the rest of us just don't have. I admit, that this may be true in many cases but not all, and certainly not to the level I witnessed in Quixtar. I saw many people think that just because someone went Diamond that they had some special status or knowledge. I was thoroughly unimpressed by every single Diamond that I heard speak, including Dexter Yager. In my mind, these people worked the system well, got plugged in under optimal circumstances, had a little bit of luck and have hit the mother lode. Some are pretty bright but many have nothing that I desire.
4. Winners and losers suggests that money is a determining factor in success. I disagree with this premise. I believe that money is a component of life but that it should never factor into the success equation. In my mind, success is when a person is able to spend his life doing what he loves and enjoying every minute (or most minutes) of his life. That's a simplistic definition but I truly feel that money, status, power, etc. are not part of the success equation. I feel that I'm extremely successful and I do not earn six figures.
August 3, 2003
Another reason I don't think Quixtar works...
By QBlog in
UPDATE: I should say that I don't think it works for some people. I realize that there are quite a number of people who find success in Quixtar and have built what appears to be a solid, reliable network.
Interviews: They are a critical part of any business. Hiring new employees or finding new business partners is a process that takes training, skill and a lot of hard work. Entire industries are built around the process of finding and hiring quality personnel.
However, with Quixtar there is barely a similar (if any) vetting process. The business is often pitched to the "guy on the street" who just happens to show a bit of intelligence or some extra friendliness. Or it's shown to friends who may or may not have any sort of business savvy.
Yet, Quixtar is supposed to be a network of people who reliably build a system that will continue to provide financial dividends long after "retirement." The Robert Kiyosaki example of building a water pipeline for villiagers illustrates that the "network" has been built and now the "network" owners can sit back and collect the profits. Yet what if your network is full of crappy people? What if that pipeline is built with bad materials? Inevitably the network/pipeline will break down and may eventually need to be rebuilt altogether.
Now, back to my interview thing. The point is that with job interviews a manager or whatever will try to find the best person. Yet with Quixtar, this is less important from my observations. What seems to be most important is just getting people in and not the quality of those people.
What would be better, in my opinion, is to have some sort of resume, some sort of vetting process instituted by Quixtar. Something to keep the bad apples out of the barrel, just like in a real business. Maybe I should start an MLM with this very process installed. I could call it QBlogStar!
Interesting connections
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According to this article, Rich DeVos has an interest in the Liberia situation.
Other ardent Bush supporters have economic interests in Liberia. Richard DeVos, co-founder of Amway Corp., has invested several million dollars in AmLib United Minerals, a gold exploration company there. DeVos, a billionaire, is one of the Republican Party's largest individual contributors and a big donor to the Bush campaign. But unlike Robertson, DeVos had not publicly defended Taylor and is not closely identified with his regime.
I don't really have a comment on this but I just thought it was kind of interesting. Things I did not know.